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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and following on

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from last week's interview with

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journalist daniel otis i wanted to

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invite another journalist onto the

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podcast who maybe is a little bit more

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experienced to give a perspective on

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what's happening right now and over the

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last few years in terms of ufos and new

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aps a reporter and editor for salem

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media he's published articles with hot

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air the national review the debrief

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washington times and many many more i'd

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like to welcome jaz shaw to the podcast

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jazz how are we today

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doing great thanks for having me annie

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awesome uh jazz we have spoken before

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well i say we have spoken we were in the

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middle of uh danny sheehan uh doing a

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monologue on the big phone home and at

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times we got to interrupt him so that

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was our kind of only kind of back and

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forward really um which was really

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enjoyable and of our son saying i've

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wanted to get you on i've seen you on

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unidentified celebrity review plenty of

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times and enjoy reading the articles

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that you post up as well

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um before we get into talking about ufos

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right now i want to give folks a little

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bit about yourself jazz and your

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background and who you are if you want

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to take us through in terms of you know

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growing up in a military experience and

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what's ultimately led you to this point

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in your life where you're writing

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regularly among other things about ufos

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sure uh

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i'm an old man i grew i was born

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in the 1950s

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country and uh

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went to school very nothing really

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descriptive uh

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i wound up specializing in english and

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electronics technology i went into the

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navy

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working in radar systems

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and when i got done with that and went

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out in the civilian world i was working

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initially in electronics technology

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engineering and design

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and i slowly switched over from that to

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doing technical writing about those

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topics and then a bunch more technical

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topics and i spent some time

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writing technical manuals and whatnot

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then i transitioned out of that about 20

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years ago and went into more

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energy energy related field and writing

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about the government

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uh i finally wound up

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going to work about

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12 years ago for salem media

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writing for them on their primary

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websites their print magazine and uh

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doing a lot of spots and uh work on

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their radio network they've got 150

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radio stations around the country

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nuts and bolts stuff to writing and

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i never wrote although i had a lifelong

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interest originally just from the sci-fi

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angle and later some of the scientific

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i never wrote professionally about ufos

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late 2017 and the first week of 2018 was

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the first time because it wasn't a

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you weren't allowed to write about that

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it was not taken seriously

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they don't like to be seen as silly

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after the 2017 uh december new york

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i went and

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as gently as i could contacted

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our the management of our division

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and i said you know this this isn't

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little green men this is a government

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program and the government's talking

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about government funding it is sort of

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applicable to us and i think people

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what if i wrote about that

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i it took two weeks for them to get back

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and uh well more like a week i think it

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got a very tentative answer that was

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okay we could try it and see how it goes

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so i wrote the first article and the

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times was reporting the secret pentagon

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back and check with them and like okay

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well there's this other thing that came

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out of it which looks interesting maybe

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and it turned out that that first pair

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of articles uh

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they they were the highest traffic

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articles on the site for the entire

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month you know and

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it became clear quickly that there were

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a lot of people who were interested not

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everybody agreed there's a big debate

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going on in our discussion forums and

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stuff and some people were like you're

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crazy why are you writing about this

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this is nonsense and other would be no

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no this is this is very real and this is

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very exciting news and i think that's

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what helped drive the traffic

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and by about the fourth time i went to

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them uh our management came back and

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told me um you don't have to ask anymore

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you're the ufo guy now you know

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yeah which i i've told people that story

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before and i've

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um of two minds

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because when somebody says that to you

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it's like you know i've been spending a

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long time writing about really serious

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stuff do i want to be

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the ufo guy

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sure but i still write about all the

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other stuff too um except when i joined

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the debrief last year uh

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and started writing for micah hank's

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crew over there

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um i i don't read about any of that

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other stuff so i do a couple science and

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military defense articles but 90 percent

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of it all i write about is ufos because

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that's where my interest is you know

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sure that that first article the link

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for it will be in the description to the

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podcast and it's not a long article and

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like you say it's a piece on that new

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york times piece about a week or so out

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from that how did you feel yourself

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writing that you said your initial

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interest in the subject was just through

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you know science fiction tv shows movies

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whatever they were at the time growing

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experiences you know nothing like that

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in terms in terms of ufos how did you

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feel writing that article and delving

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into that world as something you weren't

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too familiar with in writing terms

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i i was a little nervous i'll confess um

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but i was also very interested and i

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just i had a hunch i thought you know

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i hadn't at that time had any life

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altering experiences um that changed for

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me in 2020

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when i suddenly had a cavalcade of

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life-altering experience as my wife and

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up until then you know it it was always

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abstract for me it was like well i i

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guess this could all be real but it

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might

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conventional or

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whatever but i was certainly curious and

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it seemed like the government was being

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awfully secretive about it for something

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if it was just something mundane you

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know why would you try to keep it secret

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what what about the story stood out to

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you was it the fact it was the new york

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times writing about it or

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well-respected journalists or was it

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like you say the fact it wasn't little

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green men it wasn't the x-files logo

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the piece you know

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because i've long before i ever wrote

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one word about ufos i've written a lot

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classification um secret you know

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unwarranted secrecy particularly in

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military matters and things

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american government of course

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the government's done some very bad

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things in the past and they've hidden it

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and we don't find out until much much

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later when all the people that would be

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might not be familiar you can go google

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something called the tuskegee syphilis

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experiments you know that was something

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the government did and they

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they were literally killing black people

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just letting them die to see what would

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because they gave them fake drugs saying

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this is going to cure your syphilis and

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then they monitor them

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and watch them go through the various

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stages until they died you know it was

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evil and that's a thing they did um

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our own troops our own military and

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administering drugs to them without

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telling them just to see what would

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you know and that's all documented and

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we didn't find out until the guilty

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parties were all dead

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but they they do stuff and i i never i

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never take it for granted that we're

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all of the information and stuff isn't

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being held back

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that even applies when i go through the

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foia process and submit foia requests

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i've gotten answers that i knew were

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blatantly false from the government to a

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foia request i i requested a document

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that i already had a copy of in my hand

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and they wrote back to me and they said

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nope we don't have any document like

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and i sent them the document back and i

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didn't get an answer

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so you know they're not always truthful

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on their toes and do our best to try to

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and get information out of them

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if i had spoken to you

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on the day of writing that that article

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about to publish that first article on

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ufos and asked you what is your opinion

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on all of this you know you can see what

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it looks like you talked about objects

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moving at mach 9 or faster

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you know we find out there's these

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videos of these white tic tacs

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and like again you mentioned in the

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article that i've been floating about

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online for a while no pun intended

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what would your opinion have been on if

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i said what do you make of all this ufo

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stuff what would jazz have said in 2017

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that it was

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i would have honestly said

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this well part at least partly the same

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thing i'll tell you today i have no idea

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i don't know what those things are um

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back then i would have given more

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credence to

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uh the idea that well maybe it's some

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really

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deep

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single well black funded object

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program of ours

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maybe the russians um back in the early

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days not so much the chinese they've

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only really come on to the tech scene

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for all that stuff far more recently

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but uh i would have given some credence

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to that i also i feel embarrassed to say

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it today

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but i also did not entirely discount the

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idea that there could have been some

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sort of mass hysteria going on uh some

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people were just confusing things they

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saw for other things you know

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um even when they had those videos you

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know the gimbal and the go fast i i

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looked at those and i was like yeah that

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looks really interesting but then again

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it's through a gun camera it's kind of

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grainy they're pretty short

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could could they have been filming

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something else even a meteorological

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phenomena or something maybe you know

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uh i still remember when the first one

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came out of which one's the one with a

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little dot going really fast um go fast

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go faster

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yeah my father-in-law was a career

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military man who worked on very secret

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programs literally

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literally a rocket scientist helped

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develop the harm missile system and

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later worked in uh planning uh airborne

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combat scenarios for training

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and uh i showed that to him

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and he said oh i know what that is and i

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said what is it he goes that that's a

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training device it's not really there

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it's on the gun camera it's a fake

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target to see if they can lock in on it

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and get a lock and i was like oh and i

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walked away from that thinking oh this

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is fake

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yeah you know

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but then later he came back and he goes

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okay i've been following the rest of the

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stuff he sent me i'm not so sure anymore

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that that might not have been a fake

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target

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so yeah my answer back then would have

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been i don't know i had other

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possibilities you you asked me today and

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there's been

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just so much other evidence other stuff

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that's been leaked out

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finding out about the programs they were

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running and the amount of energy they

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were putting into these efforts to study

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it and then like i suggested earlier my

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wife and i had five sightings between

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november of 2019 and uh

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and last november

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and

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know because now

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i i see stories about well this could be

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you know it's probably just some secret

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program it's like

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i know what i saw we didn't build that

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come on man

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you know if if we got something that can

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do all that

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particularly what i saw with my own eyes

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then the government's got a lot of

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questions to answer when did you come up

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with this tech how long have you known

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how to do this stuff and why haven't you

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shared it with anyone else when it could

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so dramatically change the world you

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know and you've just been hiding it you

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know

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and

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so i don't

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now i i now i'm leaning if you if you

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ask me where that stuff comes from i'm

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like

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90

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it's something completely unconventional

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and probably not from here i'll leave a

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small much smaller possibility that okay

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maybe they've really been pulling a

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little wool over our eyes but boy it's

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harder and harder to believe

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when you see obviously you've had five

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sightings and if you're saying that

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these sightings involve things happening

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that it's not ours so i take it you're

402
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not seeing what's clearly a satellite in

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the sky it's something that's going to

404
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be closer or maneuvering in a way that

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you're you're quite certain it's that

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something else what were you seeing that

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really decided for you this isn't ours

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in terms of you necessarily being human

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before

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november of 2020 i like everybody else i

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i know at some point i i probably well i

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definitely occasionally would see you

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see a light in the sky maybe it looks

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like it's doing something a little weird

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it could be something anomalous so it

416
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could be i don't know what a satellite

417
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looks like you know uh you know it

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couldn't be a lightning bug that was who

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knows right yeah but now

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in uh

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november of 2020 uh i went out on my

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front porch one evening

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and

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i

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ball

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or globe or i don't know

427
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and it was all these different colors

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and it was really slowly just moving

429
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along and going up and down that would

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stop

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and then it would come back and

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as soon as i saw it moving i grabbed my

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camera out of my pocket and i went

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across the street because we have street

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lights i want to get on the other side

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to

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cut out the street lights and i started

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filming this thing

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i filmed it for five minutes

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it it didn't go away it just went back

441
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and forth and up and down and just kept

442
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changing through like all the colors of

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the spectrum i'd never seen anything

444
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like it that's on my youtube page by the

445
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way

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um

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and uh but it it didn't do anything else

448
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and my wife came out and looked she saw

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you know uh because i texted her and uh

450
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i i finally i just

451
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i gave up and went back inside because

452
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it's not doing anything else that's

453
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weird

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so that one wasn't

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really definitive because like i said it

456
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was kind of far away but it wasn't a dot

457
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of light it was it was a ball it was a

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shape it looked round

459
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or unless it was a disc on its side i

460
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don't really know

461
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:18,240
um that one caught my attention and left

462
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,600
me with a lot of questions but it wasn't

463
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too definitive

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later that same week my wife was out

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walking the dog and she had walked we

466
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live up near the corner of the block and

467
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she was on the street

468
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next to the house i was out in the back

469
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deck

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and she she's able to film this one

471
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it was late at night it was a cloudy

472
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night not great weather so again this

473
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video is horrible you could only see a

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few dots yeah but

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sudden just coming from the west

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and going right over our house was

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something that blocked out the clouds

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and for all the world it looked like a

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triangle in shape and it was moving

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slowly and it was moving really silently

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and on the bottom side of it there were

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all these little lights but they weren't

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like they were attached to whatever the

484
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thing was

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because

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they were they were different colored

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and they were moving in relation like

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maybe they were just floating underneath

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it and my wife's just filming it and

490
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she's like what the f is that you know

491
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and but it just it didn't do anything it

492
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just glided over the house didn't make

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any sound whatsoever it was huge i i

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would guesstimate it had to be at least

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500 feet across

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and it just kept on going and it went

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off towards the horizon and never saw it

498
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:29,120
again

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uh

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the other three

501
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last year first one was in early june

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um

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we saw i saw two of them she saw no i

504
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saw three of them she saw two of them

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it was either

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the same type of thing three times or it

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was the same thing coming back three

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times and in the conventional language

509
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that everybody uses today it was a tic

510
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tac and it wasn't at night it was in

511
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broad daylight it clear blue sky

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and i was once again out back on my deck

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in the afternoon forget what i was doing

514
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i just happened to be looking up because

515
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there were two conventional planes

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uh coming from the little regional

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airport near us going over and i just

518
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happened to be you know i always watch

519
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the planes i don't i don't know why

520
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and as they were going by coming from

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the other direction down quite a bit

522
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lower

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was something white that i first thought

524
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of another plane

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except it wasn't leaving a contrail and

526
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it was smaller because it was down lower

527
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but it looked smaller than the than the

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jets

529
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and again like everybody always says no

530
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noise and it came closer as it was going

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by

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and

533
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it was just this white

534
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tube

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uh i would say about the length of a bus

536
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maybe

537
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but no tail no wings uh no windows no

538
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,039
nothing that i could see it was just

539
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this thing

540
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and that's when i reached for my pocket

541
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to grab my phone because by this point

542
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i've always tried to be ready

543
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and that's when i realized my phone was

544
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:57,440
like five percent i left inside in the

545
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,559
charger

546
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so i go smashing through the door

547
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,320
screaming for my wife

548
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,960
get your phone get out front because i

549
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:06,640
figured it's going

550
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,200
this way you know past my house if i run

551
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,960
out front i'll see it on the other side

552
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,039
and i go running in and i rip my phone

553
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,679
off the charger and i go out front

554
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,000
and uh my wife's already out there

555
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,080
and there was nothing there it was gone

556
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:22,559
and at speed it was going we should have

557
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:24,080
easily seen it for at least another

558
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:26,000
minute heading off towards the horizon

559
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:26,880
but it

560
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she said she saw something white

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for a second

562
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,960
but she picked up her camera and she

563
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:34,160
couldn't see it anymore and couldn't

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00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,280
find it

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00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,960
and i didn't see it so it had

566
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:38,640
disappeared

567
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:42,000
um the second time was in august

568
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,880
uh

569
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,000
i'm not going to go through it all again

570
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,919
for you again no no that's i appreciate

571
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,120
that yeah

572
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,679
uh i'm out on the back porch

573
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:51,120
uh i don't know if there are any planes

574
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,880
at the time same thing

575
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:54,480
same looking thing comes from the same

576
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:56,480
direction and this time i had my camera

577
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,440
ready

578
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:58,960
so i pulled it out and i started filming

579
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:00,160
it

580
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,280
in the sky and the camera doesn't want

581
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:05,280
to focus on it well so the video was

582
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,480
crap

583
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,919
but

584
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,320
it came over until it got even with our

585
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,679
house

586
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,360
and i'm still sitting there pointing the

587
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,640
camera at it

588
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:16,400
and it looked the same same description

589
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,200
tube

590
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,039
no windows no nothing

591
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,679
and it just stopped

592
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:23,840
and it just hung there in midair

593
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,720
and hung there for i think on the video

594
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,840
it was like

595
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,760
three and a half to four seconds and it

596
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:31,919
just it started it was

597
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:34,880
lengthwise facing like parallel to me it

598
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:38,000
started to turn a little bit like this

599
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:39,600
and then it disappeared

600
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,880
and i don't mean it flew away i don't

601
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,039
mean it crashed it vanished on the on

602
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:45,120
the film it's like one frame it's there

603
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,919
the next frame clear blue sky it just

604
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,440
disappeared

605
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,679
and but it it showed to me when i had

606
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,679
time to reflect on it later we were

607
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:55,039
talking about the capabilities and

608
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:56,240
everything

609
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,039
um

610
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,640
what was its method of travel what was

611
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,919
it using for propulsion there was

612
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,600
nothing obvious how was it generating

613
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,400
lift

614
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:04,159
with with no wings unless it was a

615
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,120
balloon

616
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:07,039
how did it go from doing i would

617
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:08,080
guesstimate

618
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,240
100 miles an hour it just pink stop dead

619
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,000
you know if there's anybody inside that

620
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,320
they would smash into the front of it at

621
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,880
100 miles an hour you know and then how

622
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,799
did it vanish is it cloaking i don't

623
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,559
know is it a cloaking device or can it

624
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:24,799
teleport who knows

625
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,520
but i've never you know i

626
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,200
worked on an aircraft carrier for five

627
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,200
years you know i've seen all sorts of

628
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:33,120
planes but i've never seen a plane that

629
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,320
could do that

630
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,600
you know so

631
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,280
now that i think if that answers your

632
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,799
question that's what convinces me i mean

633
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,240
that's that's just

634
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,400
i i'm not aware of

635
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:43,360
any

636
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,710
even if we suggest that maybe they have

637
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:55,120
it i i don't know what the science would

638
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,559
be i know people are working on stuff

639
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:58,159
like that all the time they're always

640
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,600
trying people would like to have any

641
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,679
gravity um people would like to create

642
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,960
warp bubbles there's a team out in

643
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,480
california that claims they're this

644
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,720
close to doing it creating one

645
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:07,600
you know

646
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,320
but

647
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,760
i'm not aware that anybody's ever

648
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,080
achieved or achieved those successes or

649
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:14,240
or was able to do those things and i i

650
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,960
just

651
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,240
i don't know it doesn't sound really

652
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,960
plausible to me that it's

653
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:21,200
some hidden technology

654
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,159
because

655
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,840
all the great technological leaps in our

656
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,120
history andy

657
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,600
you you're talking about the first radio

658
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,720
the first telephone um even the first uh

659
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,440
ability to widely generate electricity

660
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,600
we hear of one person's name usually or

661
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,640
one group

662
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,480
that does a thing

663
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,720
but you also you find out that

664
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,799
generally in human history other people

665
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,400
were working on the same time and other

666
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,919
people came up independently with the

667
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,919
same thing either shortly thereafter or

668
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,000
a couple times before

669
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,600
like who who did the first powered

670
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,760
flight the wright brothers right

671
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,679
yeah but there's a guy down in brazil

672
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,480
who did it like six months earlier

673
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,240
and nobody ever hears about that you

674
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,960
know and they weren't working together

675
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,760
so

676
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,600
if if all these technologies have been

677
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,039
discovered number one they were

678
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,480
discovered by the government the

679
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,000
government has the best scientists in

680
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,799
the world i doubt it and even if they

681
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,120
did if they managed it how come nobody

682
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,880
else has come up with it

683
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,400
you know i i would think there would be

684
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,760
a lot of people with any gravity

685
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:21,200
machines by now because they would have

686
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,320
had they would have had to have had

687
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,799
these things back in the 90s right and

688
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,480
in all this time nobody else has managed

689
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,480
to think of how they did it i don't it

690
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,159
doesn't make sense to me i've been

691
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,640
rambling down too long no no thank you

692
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,799
for going into detail on the five uh

693
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:36,480
five events as well because i appreciate

694
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,200
that

695
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,720
but it's funny when you mention trying

696
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,480
to photograph the tic-tac

697
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,360
last year i was driving along and i

698
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,039
wasn't far from an airport locally i'll

699
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,039
always admit that and i took a picture

700
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,799
of an object in the sky and i think i've

701
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,559
got a good eye giving where i live and

702
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,320
i'm always looking for ufos i suppose

703
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:54,080
when you've got an interest that there

704
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,279
was something in the sky that looked

705
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,360
like it was kind of sitting still i

706
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,960
tried to take a picture with it with my

707
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,200
camera phone i was driving very slowly

708
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,200
on a traffic jam so i was kind of

709
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,400
sitting you know if you're on youtube

710
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,240
you'll see i was like that and trying to

711
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,720
look ahead of myself and take a picture

712
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,039
and i took the picture and i got home i

713
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,200
went to check and where this thing was

714
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,440
there was nothing there however just

715
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,039
doing a blow up of the image and looking

716
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,679
about that image that it looked black to

717
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,440
me what through my eyes and it was a

718
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,360
bright blue sky a couple of white clouds

719
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,960
so you know

720
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,799
there was again little white looking tic

721
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,720
tac and the worst thing i think you can

722
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,400
see when you're involved in this subject

723
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,240
is a ufo especially if you've got a ufo

724
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,320
podcast because it's just it's too

725
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,760
convenient oh yeah you're seeing tic

726
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,480
tacs now are you and i i i sent it to

727
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,000
one of my friends who does a little bit

728
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,080
of a photographic analysis and i said

729
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,840
look is this an airplane that's just

730
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,000
really far away and i can't make out the

731
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,840
definition of the wings and stuff like

732
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,919
that which is more than possible and he

733
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,520
done a quick look at it and said because

734
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,600
of the picture quality

735
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,919
you can only make out so much however

736
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,840
if that's an aeroplane the only thing i

737
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,360
could see is there might be something on

738
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,720
the back of it there may be a camera

739
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,880
artifact but if it is an aircraft it's

740
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:04,159
upside down

741
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:05,039
so

742
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,039
there it's white it doesn't look like it

743
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,640
has wings it doesn't look like it's got

744
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,159
anything on the back and if there is

745
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,600
something it's on the bottom and it's

746
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,279
upside down so it's probably not an

747
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,880
airplane um

748
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,600
and

749
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,440
i would ask you do you ever feel that

750
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,039
because you're involved in this subject

751
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,919
as you are and and having five sightings

752
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,520
so close together

753
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:27,200
is it because of that involvement you

754
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,400
know have that you feel this phenomenon

755
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,880
sort of attaches itself to you

756
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,720
and in a personal way and that's why you

757
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,120
have all of these sightings or is it

758
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:38,480
just that you're more attentive to the

759
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,669
okay i've heard a lot of discussions

760
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,279
about this i've been involved in

761
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,960
discussions about this

762
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,400
i am aware

763
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,480
of this whole

764
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:52,320
concept theory whatever you want to call

765
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,120
it

766
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,840
that sort of boils down to if you look

767
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,679
into the phenomena too closely it starts

768
00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,679
looking back at you

769
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,039
i also have heard from the other end

770
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,120
oh you might see strange things

771
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,960
everybody sees strange things in the sky

772
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,720
but because you're so interested in it

773
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,400
your brain is letting you see what you

774
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,080
want to see

775
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,590
for the first two

776
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:18,720
maybe

777
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,480
blimp or something that just was lost

778
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,039
i i guess and and i saw

779
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,640
an orb

780
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,080
the triangle's pretty hard to write off

781
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,840
the tic tacs

782
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,720
no

783
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,720
it wasn't a cloud it wasn't something

784
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,760
else it was it was very clear it was

785
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,600
very distinct you know

786
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,799
you don't see it on the camera because

787
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:44,799
it's crappy cell phone footage but

788
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:49,200
yeah no now as to why um

789
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,080
again

790
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,400
i don't know anytime we ask a question

791
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,880
why about this phenomena

792
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,720
we have to sort of

793
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,080
infer

794
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,000
the motives

795
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,880
of whoever's driving if anyone's driving

796
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,200
maybe there's nobody maybe they're run

797
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,279
by artificial intelligence systems

798
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,279
really super advanced ones you know we

799
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,120
don't know

800
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,960
but trying to infer the motives of

801
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,799
something or someone that potentially

802
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,279
may have evolved or been built

803
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,559
on an entirely different planet

804
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,159
somewhere

805
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,320
it's hard to say i

806
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,960
i always hesitate to be like well it

807
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,520
keeps showing up near my house

808
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:29,440
is it because i'm here and i'm looking

809
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,240
is it is it here for me and as soon as i

810
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,320
have that thought i immediately feel

811
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,480
like an idiot it's like who are you why

812
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,240
would he care about you

813
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,600
you know

814
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,760
so what i settle on normally if i have

815
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,399
to come up with an answer is

816
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,559
i i have come to believe that these

817
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,880
things are around a lot more than i ever

818
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,799
realized they've probably been flying

819
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,640
over my house forever

820
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,440
and i'm normally not just staring

821
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,080
intently at the sky if i'm outside i'm

822
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,840
usually doing something in my yard in my

823
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:02,000
garden doing chores you know things like

824
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,360
that

825
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,760
but and after it happened then i was out

826
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,360
there a lot more with my camera ready

827
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,039
and just standing there and watching

828
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,559
when i had a break

829
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,600
and

830
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,279
maybe if i had been doing that all along

831
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,919
i would have seen one 10 years ago

832
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,919
that's that's my take on it i don't know

833
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,640
i i cannot think of any reason that

834
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,880
it or they would be interested in me and

835
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,320
that's why they're here

836
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,320
maybe if we all went out and spent more

837
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,640
time staring at the sky for a long time

838
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,120
every day maybe everybody would be

839
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,960
seeing this

840
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,480
and if you don't mind me asking normally

841
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,039
these are very personal experiences but

842
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,720
you've you've had several of these now

843
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,320
with your wife

844
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,200
once her viewpoint on the subject very

845
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,279
obviously as a summary before but also

846
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,960
now that she's seen some of these has

847
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,720
that changed her viewpoint as to what

848
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,520
these may or may not be

849
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:54,080
she always tolerated my interest she

850
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,360
didn't even like watching a lot of the

851
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,200
same movies i liked to watch but she

852
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,640
tolerated it

853
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,159
she never

854
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,720
brought it up on her own to discuss it

855
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,159
um

856
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,799
i don't remember her ever

857
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:08,720
i mean she would watch tv shows with me

858
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,919
like you know i i would watch you know

859
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,399
unexplained files and things like that

860
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,679
and if there wasn't something on she

861
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,440
wanted she'd sit and watch them and she

862
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,120
was man that's interesting you know but

863
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,720
no she never

864
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,559
spent a lot of time thinking about it

865
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,840
she never talked about it like she was a

866
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,039
believer

867
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:27,520
i don't even know she had an opinion

868
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,399
oh

869
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,159
she did say on a few times when we

870
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,080
discussed it before all this happened

871
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,320
she was certainly a believer that it was

872
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,919
almost there was almost certainly other

873
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,919
life in the universe it's just such a

874
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,919
huge universe and life seems to be so

875
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,679
ubiquitous everywhere we look why

876
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,679
wouldn't it be elsewhere so she has no

877
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,679
problem with that idea was it coming

878
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,640
here in starships to visit us

879
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,559
she didn't really have a take on that

880
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,240
um

881
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,120
after the the orb she

882
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:57,120
said it was interesting it was curious

883
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,080
but

884
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,559
i don't think it really changed her mind

885
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,240
after the triangle everything changed

886
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,240
and from there we'd be watching the tv

887
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,000
shows i like and she'd be like that's

888
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,520
what we saw you know and it was in a one

889
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,399
week period she went from

890
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,120
not interested semi-skeptical

891
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,760
but open to the science to

892
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,919
she knows it's real and then she saw two

893
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,799
of the three tic tacs and and she yep

894
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,279
there we go like the third time

895
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,200
the first time it was just jaw dropping

896
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:30,080
right i i was freaking out

897
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,960
and

898
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,760
she said i started to turn into the uh

899
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,960
the uh

900
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,640
character from this one movie who goes

901
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,840
crazy you know

902
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,200
i'm drawing a blank right now the guy

903
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,320
who builds the towers out of mashed

904
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,480
potatoes and stuff from close encounters

905
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,760
yeah i don't know here we are yeah

906
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,120
richard

907
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,320
dreyfuss after the first tic deck

908
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,600
because i was just out there all the

909
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:51,120
time with my camera ready and looking

910
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,320
around and talking about it you know

911
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,440
waiting

912
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,399
and uh and she even though she had seen

913
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,000
the stuff and

914
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:00,000
she was like totally fine with it but

915
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,960
she's like you know you are getting a

916
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,480
little obsessed

917
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,679
um

918
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,600
but you know at this point no it's just

919
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,600
it's just accepted in our house this is

920
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,960
this is a thing that happens in our

921
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,480
world you know

922
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,240
weird stuff shows up

923
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:13,360
we've never

924
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,240
seen

925
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,760
a being

926
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,200
we've never been

927
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,200
abducted that i know of unless they're

928
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,960
really good at like mushing your

929
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:22,159
memories

930
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,200
um

931
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,799
never had any form of communication

932
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,320
people talk about

933
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,679
you know when they have an experience

934
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,039
like that sometimes they'll be

935
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,120
telepathic communication or some people

936
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,200
described as like getting a download you

937
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,200
know things like that for me

938
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,880
nada if they were trying to talk to me

939
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,159
then there's some part of my brain that

940
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:39,840
doesn't work because i haven't heard a

941
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,600
thing all i have andy for for myself and

942
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,440
my beliefs and for anybody that wants to

943
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,720
talk about it

944
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,159
i saw some weird crap that showed up

945
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,440
over my house

946
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,919
that's what i saw they were things

947
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:53,279
might have been somebody inside maybe

948
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,240
nobody

949
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,159
i have no idea but no i've never been

950
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:57,840
contacted i don't have any i'm not an

951
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,440
experiencer in that way um on just this

952
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,720
old dude who saw some stuff from his

953
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,919
backpack

954
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,279
well again thanks for sharing those

955
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,360
experiences and again when people have

956
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,440
these personal fighting experiences i've

957
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,360
speaking to people who are alleged have

958
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,519
been abductees or they've had conscious

959
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,600
or subconscious experiences they're all

960
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,159
very personal and there's a real lack of

961
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,080
strong proof including my own sightings

962
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,600
they're usually just stories because

963
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,559
they happen

964
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,720
however and in the last what four four

965
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,600
and a half years now a lot has happened

966
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,120
since that new york times article has

967
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,360
come out do you think

968
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,960
let's just say the ufo community

969
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,880
appreciate the times that we are in

970
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,799
right now and how much is happening are

971
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,039
coming out on a daily a weekly and a

972
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,360
monthly basis

973
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,799
i'm a little jealous of the younger

974
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,919
people

975
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,120
who

976
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,360
might have only just been in college or

977
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,559
getting out when the new york times

978
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,480
article came out and are starting their

979
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,760
adult lives

980
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:52,880
because

981
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,519
they may have they probably were of an

982
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,039
age where they watched the x-files in

983
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,559
the 90s they were interested in all that

984
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,799
stuff but it was kind of cool and then

985
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:03,120
suddenly their first real splash into

986
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:04,240
the pool

987
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,200
isn't

988
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,159
having to listen to leonard nimoy or you

989
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,120
know somebody else or getting

990
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,559
books written by people they'd never

991
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,399
heard of who had no official connections

992
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,840
with the government usually or or

993
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,799
anything

994
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,760
and

995
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:20,159
hearing them being called conspiracy

996
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,120
theorists

997
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,559
and things like that their first

998
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,000
exposure was the government coming out

999
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,840
and going oh yeah by the way we study

1000
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,960
ufos

1001
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,799
you know and i think they live in that

1002
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,279
world the rest of us have had to make a

1003
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,200
big transition from the way the subject

1004
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,440
was treated in the 80s and the 90s and

1005
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,960
and all that

1006
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,840
and

1007
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,559
then suddenly now we live in this world

1008
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,320
the world of louisando the world of

1009
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,320
chris mellon you know

1010
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,880
uh the world of oh my god

1011
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,720
we had a congressman one just a month or

1012
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,399
so ago went and gave a speech on the

1013
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,640
floor of the house of representatives

1014
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,640
in the united states accusing the air

1015
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,200
force of a cover-up and he was talking

1016
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,600
about ufos and aliens and all sorts of

1017
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,600
stuff and he's like and i'm tired of the

1018
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,000
secrecy you know and that's why we have

1019
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,600
to have this new commission and and

1020
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:07,039
we're going to have reviews and

1021
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,560
investigations because this is an

1022
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,760
important issue

1023
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:12,000
and i was watching that i was like

1024
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,440
that that would have been on an episode

1025
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,440
of the x-files 20 years ago it would

1026
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,440
never happen in real life and that guy

1027
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,119
would never be able to get elected if he

1028
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,359
said stuff like that nobody would vote

1029
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,399
for him

1030
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,280
you know and now him kirsten gillibrand

1031
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,280
marco rubio they're all just coming out

1032
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,800
and going yep that's the thing we got to

1033
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,480
deal with

1034
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,079
so i i think the world really has

1035
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,399
changed um

1036
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,839
for the better for the most part in my

1037
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,000
opinion uh we're still

1038
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,520
seeing way too much secrecy too much

1039
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,599
over classification but it's it's a real

1040
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,919
thing it's it's no longer a joke it's

1041
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:46,079
nobody has to play the x-files music or

1042
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,280
talk about little green men you know

1043
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,040
it's it's a real thing

1044
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:50,800
it's not a mystery that we've solved

1045
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,599
that we know of that anyone has solved

1046
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,440
but it's a real mystery and they're real

1047
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,720
things

1048
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,119
and i don't know i'm really happy that i

1049
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,359
at least live to see this much of it and

1050
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,200
i'm excited for what

1051
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,720
others will get to see in the coming

1052
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,359
years if we continue on this

1053
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,440
on this trail because i think the

1054
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,640
government will

1055
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,160
i think we're going to find out more if

1056
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,760
more resources are expanded we might

1057
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,280
learn more

1058
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,280
or maybe we'll never learn anymore maybe

1059
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:18,720
we're just

1060
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,280
incapable of

1061
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,520
like finding out what we really want to

1062
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,280
know i have

1063
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:27,520
i have a quote that i keep on a

1064
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,560
daily uh pad that i always use uh just

1065
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,960
for for notes and things like that

1066
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:34,880
it's a quote from uh

1067
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,079
yeah astronomer uh dr richard c henry

1068
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,599
uh with john hopkins university in 1977

1069
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,839
and he put this in a book and i ran

1070
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,040
across it and i just found it so

1071
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,200
striking and even all the way back then

1072
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,040
in the 70s he wrote i very much doubt

1073
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,520
that an intellectually inferior species

1074
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,720
can study

1075
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,280
an intellectually far superior species

1076
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,680
if the superior species chooses not to

1077
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,160
be studied

1078
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,200
so if they're building starships

1079
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,119
which one of us is the intellectually

1080
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,880
inferior species

1081
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,640
that's an easy one to answer because we

1082
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,720
don't have starships yet

1083
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,599
and if they don't want to be studied

1084
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,040
we're going to have a real time real

1085
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,280
hard time working this out

1086
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,839
100 like putting lab coats on monkeys

1087
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,520
and giving them some clipboards and

1088
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:24,240
asking them to figure us out you know um

1089
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,440
then again i don't think we're too far

1090
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,640
from monkeys the way some of us are

1091
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,960
behaving at the minute with uh with war

1092
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,320
with wars and everything that are going

1093
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,079
on that's something i i've talked about

1094
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,320
when i know people there are people who

1095
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,240
enjoy the idea there's a huge paradigm

1096
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,079
shift coming and alien beings are going

1097
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,520
to come down and reveal themselves and

1098
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,040
yeah and you're like

1099
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,200
why would they i mean

1100
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,720
if anything they would wipe it out and

1101
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,400
start again because that's that's the

1102
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,160
way it's kind of going but

1103
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,160
hopefully we don't get to that point you

1104
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,160
mentioned though this this trail that

1105
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,720
we've been on and we've got this new ufo

1106
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,400
office being fully established there's a

1107
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,480
few bureaucratic things going on in the

1108
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:03,040
background we had asro and then the aoi

1109
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,240
msg

1110
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,160
and where they're going to run currents

1111
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,760
beside each other where they're going to

1112
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:09,599
one take over the other

1113
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,640
what are your realistic expectations of

1114
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:15,440
what these offices will achieve but what

1115
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,190
well

1116
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,990
we've had two different stories coming

1117
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,440
out of the government i'm still not

1118
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,760
entirely sure there's going to be two

1119
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:31,760
separate offices

1120
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,200
um the one that

1121
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,640
they set up on their own that the

1122
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:38,640
pentagon set up on their own that's the

1123
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,920
aoi monosodium mhg yeah yeah

1124
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,320
yeah ross ross colthard on his new uh

1125
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,320
podcast came up with a much better name

1126
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,480
which i i plan to start using very soon

1127
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,920
we're just going to call it the uap

1128
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,000
office and that stands for

1129
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,760
unpronounceable acronym made up by the

1130
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:55,280
pentagon

1131
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,400
so

1132
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,000
and but they were just following orders

1133
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,040
really because the last ndaa when they

1134
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,200
were early actually was the iaa the

1135
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,960
intelligence authorization act

1136
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:07,839
that

1137
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,599
they went ahead and said okay we're

1138
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,920
going to absorb the uap task force and

1139
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,440
here's the new unpronounceable name

1140
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,880
office that we're setting up

1141
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,440
and then the second bill came

1142
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,240
and it was going to be a different name

1143
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,640
so i'm i'm still not entirely sure if

1144
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,160
there's going to be two entirely stepped

1145
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,480
offices two that are linked together but

1146
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:30,320
handle different aspects

1147
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,079
or if the congressionally mandated one

1148
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,400
is just going to absorb what they made

1149
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,710
as to what they will

1150
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,560
accomplish i do hope they're going to

1151
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,079
collect

1152
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,839
a lot more information they've set up a

1153
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,520
system for reporting that supposedly

1154
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,320
started in 2019 uh when it went into

1155
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:51,200
place

1156
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,240
um

1157
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,480
one side is collecting information from

1158
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,320
military incursions the other side is

1159
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,000
collecting information from pretty much

1160
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,480
everybody else commercial pilots uh you

1161
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,720
know regular citizens scientists uh

1162
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,960
people with telescopes things like that

1163
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,440
um i hope they start compiling all of

1164
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,359
that ruling out separating the wheat

1165
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,440
from the chaff and coming up with good

1166
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,440
lists good data

1167
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:15,200
and most importantly because everybody

1168
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,560
wants to know

1169
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,560
to not classify it all and to share it

1170
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,680
with us

1171
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,040
um

1172
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,960
will they

1173
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,440
delve into the bottom basements of the

1174
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,440
government and find out

1175
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:28,960
that we actually have crash retrieval

1176
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,150
i'd be thrilled as anyone if that

1177
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,800
happened i do not have hopes for that

1178
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,680
yeah

1179
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,359
um they might

1180
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,280
know a little more maybe they found some

1181
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,960
debris somewhere that they can't explain

1182
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,560
and they haven't revealed

1183
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,839
that would be nice

1184
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,119
but i think mostly we're just going to

1185
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,280
be seeing the more comprehensive

1186
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,119
collection of data

1187
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,400
if you read that article that chris

1188
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,560
mullin did a month or so ago he talked

1189
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,480
about where's the air force where's all

1190
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,400
their data what how is it possible they

1191
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,880
never saw anything and he listed all of

1192
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,720
the different like the elect like the

1193
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,200
electronic fence you know and all the

1194
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,880
different satellite systems

1195
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,720
that they hopefully they'll be tapping

1196
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,560
into all that data

1197
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,599
and

1198
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,200
clearing out the stuff that's known

1199
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,680
obvious our stuff commercial stuff

1200
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,560
weather

1201
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,480
and whatever's left

1202
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,400
gather that data and see if there's any

1203
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,400
visual sightings by anyone or any radar

1204
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,800
returns that match up the more that you

1205
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,400
can stack up i think the better case you

1206
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,079
can build that's my hope for what

1207
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,280
they'll be doing my worst fear is

1208
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,440
as melon also reported in a separate

1209
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,560
thing

1210
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:36,400
there was a plan announced that was in

1211
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,280
place

1212
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,920
they put out a new classification scheme

1213
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,680
at the end of last year

1214
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,599
saying everything to do with the old uap

1215
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:46,160
task force needs to be classified secret

1216
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,119
and i don't know if they've already

1217
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,560
tried to do that or they've done it or

1218
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:50,240
it's something they're planning

1219
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,040
but

1220
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,400
they're going back to that reflexive

1221
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,240
thing no matter what they're doing

1222
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,400
if they're just gonna lock everybody out

1223
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,400
of it then it doesn't do us any good to

1224
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,240
have the damn office really

1225
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,880
so i don't know that's my worst fear

1226
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,040
um i i think it will go on i think the

1227
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,079
effort will continue will be made aware

1228
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,000
with very unspecific

1229
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,599
non-detailed reports with nothing we

1230
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,640
actually want that work is ongoing

1231
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,359
um but in worst case scenario that's all

1232
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,119
we're going to know

1233
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,720
you mentioned the classified briefings

1234
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,640
the first classified report uh the

1235
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,119
mandated 90-day update is due by the

1236
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,760
27th of march which as we record this is

1237
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,280
a couple of days away actually it's the

1238
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,359
data center few drops for for everyone

1239
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,880
on the free feeds

1240
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,040
realistically we are not going to see

1241
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,640
anything from that report because it's

1242
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,400
classified it's for those who have a

1243
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,160
clearance to look at it

1244
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,160
are the chances though

1245
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,400
better now to hear some things from

1246
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,720
these reports because there are so many

1247
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,359
congressmen and women and senators and

1248
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,119
other officials looking to get involved

1249
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,680
in the subject that just by sheer law of

1250
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,119
averages regardless of the

1251
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,839
classification status because there are

1252
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,680
more eyes and ears getting these

1253
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,599
briefings seeing these potential reports

1254
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,480
that

1255
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:03,760
you know

1256
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,560
some lips talk and we hear little bits

1257
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,160
and pieces coming out do you think

1258
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,200
that's got potential

1259
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,200
well i look back at the last couple of

1260
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,119
years we know that these briefings uh

1261
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,280
for the armed services committee and the

1262
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,640
intelligence committee have been going

1263
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,319
on there's been a number of them we've

1264
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,240
heard some things from people like chris

1265
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,000
mellon who were involved in preparing

1266
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,839
the briefings for them

1267
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,079
we've had general descriptions

1268
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,760
of what they've been shown

1269
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,920
without any details just

1270
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,960
what was

1271
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,720
type of information was being presented

1272
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,480
and discussed

1273
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:38,000
but boy

1274
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,440
unless you've heard something i haven't

1275
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,440
and i really try to follow this closely

1276
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,880
they've done an awfully good job of

1277
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,839
keeping their lip sealed they nobody in

1278
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:48,160
congress has gone and

1279
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,599
said anything specific beyond

1280
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,000
i saw things that were really

1281
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,400
disturbing potentially disturbing and i

1282
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,480
believe we do need to investigate this

1283
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,240
none of the things are mentioned you

1284
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,040
know so so far anyway

1285
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,839
uh they haven't been talking even their

1286
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,359
aids normally you get something out of

1287
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,960
staffers you know because they like to

1288
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,720
leak stuff and

1289
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,400
just getting nothing

1290
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,960
so i don't know for sure maybe that'll

1291
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,720
happen someday

1292
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,880
but so far it hasn't been

1293
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:21,040
now the other route that we have

1294
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,920
is

1295
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:23,440
uh because you probably saw the thing

1296
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,640
that just dropped at the black vault

1297
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,839
yesterday um yeah the the first

1298
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,240
report john greenwald managed to

1299
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,560
get a redacted version of the full

1300
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,359
17-page report i guarantee you on the

1301
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,480
27th the moment that drops he's going to

1302
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,040
be requesting it with a foreign and when

1303
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,640
they turn him down he's going to file

1304
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,640
another mandatory declassification

1305
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,800
review and that is how he got them to

1306
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,640
release the redacted version and that's

1307
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:50,000
going to happen again but look how long

1308
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,200
it took him

1309
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,960
you know so that's how long we'd be

1310
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,480
waiting and even when we get large

1311
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,680
sections of it are just going to be

1312
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,880
blacked out again

1313
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,960
you know because they can do that

1314
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,480
and to make a point and i'm glad you

1315
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,400
said this earlier jazz that and i've

1316
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,400
spoken to i'm no expert when it comes to

1317
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,000
the the government's or the military

1318
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:07,920
industrial complex and the top secret

1319
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,480
programmes and i've spoken to members

1320
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,079
members of the military on both sides

1321
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:14,079
and they can be very patriotic and you

1322
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,440
know they've served their countries and

1323
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,480
and whatnot

1324
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,520
but

1325
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,119
just because the government says yep

1326
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,960
this is the full report here are the 17

1327
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,359
pages redacted doesn't mean that was the

1328
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,520
full report like you said yourself you

1329
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,040
you requested a document that you

1330
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,960
literally had in your hand and they got

1331
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,280
back to you saying that there wasn't one

1332
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,520
and and this is it and that that's 17

1333
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,119
pages and i know john greenwald

1334
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,280
disagrees but it's likely there were a

1335
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,680
lot more pages no doubt with tables

1336
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:40,800
graphs

1337
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,960
involved and that's i still lean towards

1338
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,400
the fact this was more than likely in

1339
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,880
the mid 70s when it comes to page length

1340
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,960
because of all those cases and the

1341
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:54,319
information that could have been part of

1342
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,520
that report

1343
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,119
even in those blacked out sections

1344
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,480
there's not enough to make up what we

1345
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,920
can i heard was going to be there within

1346
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,520
17 pages

1347
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,000
however within that heavily redacted 17

1348
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,599
pages i think the thing that's jumped

1349
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,920
out to a lot of people is this uh common

1350
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,280
shapes

1351
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,440
which is which is an interesting point

1352
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,520
and it clearly states at the bottom

1353
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,960
images and then it gives you a little

1354
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,720
note of what the images paragraph and

1355
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,480
section would be and you don't get to

1356
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,319
see those obviously as well

1357
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:22,000
however that doesn't mean there's

1358
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,680
pictures of flying saucers on there or

1359
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,079
black triangles and it could just be

1360
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,680
that there are potentially images of

1361
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,680
adversarial drones for example that

1362
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,520
could make up part of this but they just

1363
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,760
don't know what they are however i would

1364
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,680
hope there's some some good stuff on

1365
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,599
there which were non-human intelligence

1366
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,880
potentially

1367
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,640
but was there anything else in that

1368
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,880
redacted report that stood out to you

1369
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:44,560
that you've managed to look at that john

1370
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,400
managed to get you know published

1371
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,119
okay well first of all as to whether or

1372
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,000
not it was a longer report i tend to

1373
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,079
believe particularly since the pages

1374
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,000
were enumerated

1375
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,920
that that was the report that congress

1376
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,160
got the classified version of the report

1377
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:03,440
that congress got

1378
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:04,240
i

1379
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:18,079
together

1380
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:19,119
and

1381
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:19,920
the

1382
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,400
congressional classified report i

1383
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:25,920
believe were taken

1384
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:28,560
from that file or files

1385
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,000
and those were extracts that they felt

1386
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,920
did the bare minimum

1387
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,839
that congress required when they were

1388
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:37,599
told to produce a report

1389
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,119
yeah and i i really i honestly believe

1390
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,040
almost as badly as they they treat the

1391
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,720
public they don't like talking about

1392
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:46,160
this they don't want to tell congress

1393
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,599
any of this but they were ordered too

1394
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,520
and congress pays their salaries and

1395
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,520
funds their programs so they have to do

1396
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,640
something

1397
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,079
but i do believe they did the bare

1398
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,000
minimum i think that 17 pages is what

1399
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,520
they thought to get away with and they

1400
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:59,119
did get away with

1401
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,480
um

1402
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,319
so as far as anything else in there that

1403
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,319
stood out to me i

1404
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:05,599
i

1405
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,319
that members of congress have been shown

1406
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,000
significantly longer videos than the

1407
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:42,079
ones we've seen and significantly better

1408
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,200
quality

1409
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,160
and if they've already seen those

1410
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,480
why not at least take a couple of still

1411
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:49,920
frames from it and stick that in the

1412
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,720
report so maybe it had photos

1413
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,240
which i would very much like to see and

1414
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,520
if there's a longer video i'd like to

1415
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,440
watch the longer video potentially

1416
00:48:03,349 --> 00:47:59,760
videos of entirely different incidents

1417
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:03,359
particularly since 2019 you know

1418
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,800
they may be out there

1419
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,559
and ready to go and i i think they

1420
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,760
should be declassified and released

1421
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,839
personally but i don't make the rules

1422
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,800
um

1423
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,760
yeah that

1424
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,880
that that

1425
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:15,119
caught my answer i think the most out of

1426
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:15,920
the

1427
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,559
and it only let my appetite to just keep

1428
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,920
hounding them and saying you know you've

1429
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,400
got to do better than this

1430
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,280
now susan go or susan goff

1431
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,280
on the uk i say golf yeah i've heard it

1432
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,800
go but yeah golf and she's a

1433
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,240
spokesperson for the department of

1434
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,720
defense has been very influential in the

1435
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,960
uap discussion whether some folks like

1436
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,760
that or not and what she will and won't

1437
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,440
say or release are crucial and the

1438
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,319
message has changed a few times as well

1439
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,240
why do you think this is is it just

1440
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,559
playing hardball is it a lack of truly

1441
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,640
understanding at times what she isn't

1442
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,400
isn't discussing

1443
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,079
or do you think her role has just

1444
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,079
changed over the time she's been a part

1445
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:01,990
susan goff was brought in for a very

1446
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:05,520
specific reason at a very specific time

1447
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,559
um

1448
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,160
the pentagon was totally caught with

1449
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,440
their pants down the new york times

1450
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,119
published that article by the way

1451
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,960
uh they have been contacted and asked a

1452
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,559
few questions but

1453
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,599
only towards the end of the

1454
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,440
investigation uh the way ralph

1455
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,880
blumenthal put it

1456
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,960
and they didn't have time to scramble

1457
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,119
that the world was about to learn that

1458
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:26,079
asap and atep had existed you know

1459
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,880
uh

1460
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,880
they weren't ready and so they just got

1461
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,640
a couple of the people who were most

1462
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,400
closely attached

1463
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,319
who were spokespeople that were tasked

1464
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,920
with answering questions from the media

1465
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,440
and things like that

1466
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,800
and they were the first ones we got to

1467
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,319
send questions to

1468
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,599
and they were actually answering the

1469
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,520
questions or trying to

1470
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:45,280
and

1471
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,359
times because when they get a question

1472
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,800
from a reporter and they'd go all right

1473
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,920
i'll go check and get back to you and

1474
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,599
they'd go and ask

1475
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,440
and they'd get shut down or in some

1476
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:56,720
cases they thought they were being

1477
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,200
deceived and they'd come back

1478
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,960
and then suddenly they all disappeared

1479
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,760
and susan goff shows up and she replaces

1480
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,680
everyone there used to be multiple

1481
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,280
departments you know there's one for the

1482
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:09,520
air force and one for the intelligence

1483
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,119
agencies and other ones nope no more

1484
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,520
i have sent requests to entirely

1485
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,319
different departments entirely different

1486
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,640
referencing something that was on one of

1487
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,319
their releases

1488
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,640
and i got their spokesman and sent them

1489
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,960
an email and said hey i wanted to ask

1490
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,559
you a little bit more about this because

1491
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,000
it had something to do

1492
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,520
with the uap task force and the offices

1493
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,839
and for the last year i've never gotten

1494
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,079
an answer back from the department i

1495
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,480
sent it to they immediately get for she

1496
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,480
answers it even though she's not even in

1497
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,160
that department she gets all the

1498
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,400
questions she gets the answers

1499
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,480
greenwald has found some uh

1500
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,800
some documents internal correspondence

1501
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,599
that

1502
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,200
got released through foia which i'm sure

1503
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,119
that we're unhappy about showing them

1504
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,359
internally discussing how everything has

1505
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,119
to go to her and we have to stay on the

1506
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,960
same message here there was clearly a

1507
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,720
whitewash going on

1508
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,000
but

1509
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,400
uh i don't see that changing no um

1510
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,920
unless she decides to retire i mean she

1511
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:09,440
already retired once

1512
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,400
and

1513
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,920
she was an intel agent you know in the

1514
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,040
military

1515
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,880
and they brought her back just to do

1516
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,319
this

1517
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,839
so unless she's really desperate to

1518
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:23,280
retire i imagine that's the only person

1519
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,559
we're going to be dealing with for the

1520
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,640
foreseeable future

1521
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,079
just before we get to some listener

1522
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,480
questions to to finish off jazz do you

1523
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,400
think we've got anything on the horizon

1524
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,880
coming in terms of new footage pictures

1525
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,680
data folks like jeremy corbell have been

1526
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,680
teasing now for quite a while with

1527
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,359
things like quotes like this is just the

1528
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,440
cam before the storm as if there's going

1529
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,680
to be no footage coming out for example

1530
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,559
as he had last year any any whispers or

1531
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,280
any inkling

1532
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:53,440
i hear the same things you do probably

1533
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,480
uh from most of the same people um

1534
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,520
lou elizondo told us not very long ago

1535
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,880
that he was really excited and there was

1536
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,960
stuff going on but it wasn't quite ready

1537
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,880
to be talked about yet

1538
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,440
that could mean new footage it could

1539
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,839
mean new witnesses you know military

1540
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:12,160
witnesses whatever more pilots coming

1541
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,520
forward

1542
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,599
uh i don't rule it out

1543
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,280
um

1544
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,920
whether it's corbell or whether it's

1545
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,559
those guys you know breaking through

1546
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,680
and getting something else to be

1547
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,599
declassified and released could be

1548
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,119
either way

1549
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,040
i'd love to see it but

1550
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,640
let's be honest we hear this on a

1551
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,720
monthly basis in

1552
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,880
in the entire ufology community there's

1553
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,200
always somebody saying oh i know this

1554
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,880
thing i got this inside source and

1555
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,559
something's about to go

1556
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:42,160
and occasionally something does go and

1557
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,520
that's great when that happens but then

1558
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,359
for every one of those there's there's

1559
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,680
90 more where nothing happens you know

1560
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,000
or somebody comes up and

1561
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,079
really gets made a fool of because they

1562
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,920
fell for some disinfo and it turned out

1563
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,440
to be totally bogus

1564
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,359
so i would just advise everybody to be

1565
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,880
cautious um

1566
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,240
don't get too excited when something

1567
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,240
comes out if it doesn't have the right

1568
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,520
pedigree

1569
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,119
uh like

1570
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,960
the redacted

1571
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,720
full thing that dropped yesterday i have

1572
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,559
no questions about that because i

1573
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,319
completely trust

1574
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,400
john greenwald just has never done

1575
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,599
anything but release government

1576
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:18,079
documents and these stand up to the test

1577
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,280
if you

1578
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,440
write to susan goff and go hey is that

1579
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,880
real that and they're gonna they're

1580
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,240
gonna verify it and say yeah that's the

1581
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,559
report because they decided

1582
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,800
what was going to be redacted and what

1583
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,119
wasn't you know that was their decision

1584
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,920
so nobody's going to deny it that's real

1585
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,520
um when you hear these things about

1586
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,680
somebody like well in dms i was talking

1587
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,680
to this other person and they were shown

1588
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,839
this video that was completely different

1589
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:43,200
and it's really shocking where do you

1590
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,160
see it

1591
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,839
and then it doesn't show up

1592
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,800
you know

1593
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,880
and it's like so

1594
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:50,480
yeah hold your horses let's everybody

1595
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,760
try to keep calm and soldier on um

1596
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,800
i think

1597
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,839
i'm 100 sure there's more coming of

1598
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,920
various types of information more

1599
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,440
government activity there will be more

1600
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:02,720
reports

1601
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,760
how

1602
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,359
gratifying those reports from the

1603
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:07,839
government will be

1604
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:11,760
we'll see you know but uh no i'm not

1605
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,800
i don't know anything you don't know

1606
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:14,160
i'll just put it that way there i don't

1607
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,680
know that there's anything about to drop

1608
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,599
that's really going to be jaw dropping

1609
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,760
you know but yeah i'm sure there's going

1610
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,839
to be more the story will continue to

1611
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,960
develop

1612
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,720
and god willing and i'm around to do it

1613
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,400
you know i i will try to stay on top of

1614
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,079
it and be reporting on it and

1615
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,079
and share with everybody what i find out

1616
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,839
um but

1617
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:32,960
you know

1618
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:36,400
gonna be a long ride

1619
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,839
and you know what i think

1620
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,359
you're right that if we were going to

1621
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,040
get something jaw-dropping tomorrow and

1622
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,119
i'd like to go back to this staple a

1623
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,880
video of a black triangle emerging from

1624
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,960
the ocean filmed by an f-18 fighter

1625
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,960
pilot if that was going to drop tomorrow

1626
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,400
it's probably something that would just

1627
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,160
drop on us and you wouldn't hear about a

1628
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:54,960
week in advance and have people building

1629
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,680
up and hyping it and i've i've seen

1630
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,599
videos nothing major that have have

1631
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,200
dropped in the communities had a big

1632
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,880
discussion about

1633
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:04,559
before they've been released

1634
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,079
and that's not me going i'm private

1635
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,160
anything super secret but anytime i saw

1636
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:09,920
any of these i always go

1637
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,000
all right is is is that it okay cool

1638
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,319
because it's usually lacking in quite a

1639
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,839
lot of different things and you may or

1640
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,119
may not have seen the same stuff as well

1641
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,799
jazz and that's where i'm always like

1642
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:22,400
i'm grateful for anything to come out

1643
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,520
and i'm sure people have had to go

1644
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,079
through processes to get these but it

1645
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,839
may or may not be a drone maybe it may

1646
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,319
not be a drone or a drugs run it could

1647
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:32,000
be a balloon floating in the wind it

1648
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,359
could be something but we don't have

1649
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,599
enough data to tell us what it is so

1650
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:37,839
like you see i'm going to be in balloon

1651
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,880
yeah batman balloon that one still keeps

1652
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,160
coming back around i've noticed it's

1653
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,760
doing its rounds and the some of the

1654
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,839
mainstream uk stuff just now online as

1655
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,640
well

1656
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,720
i just stay at the conversation but but

1657
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:49,920
listen let's get to some listener

1658
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,960
questions jazz um so first up uh we had

1659
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,599
mads now mads uh you've sort of answered

1660
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:56,960
the first part of his question is it

1661
00:56:03,349 --> 00:55:59,920
possible that the aoi msg um or

1662
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,359
unpronounceable aerial pentagon whatever

1663
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,040
it was you said it's going to exist

1664
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:07,200
parallel with the jolly brand as raw

1665
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,559
amendment office

1666
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,720
an unpronounceable acronym

1667
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,640
by the pentagon yes that's the one yeah

1668
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,880
it's oh god it's almost harder um but is

1669
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,880
it possible that aoi msg and azure would

1670
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,400
run side by side potentially you've

1671
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,559
talked about that but i also wanted to

1672
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,960
know do you think the budget for

1673
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:24,960
whatever the office turns to be will be

1674
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,510
uh

1675
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,839
well

1676
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,520
that's a yes and no question because the

1677
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:35,839
way the budget works

1678
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,400
the budget is not broken down

1679
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:40,640
in its final form

1680
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,359
to

1681
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,280
every single

1682
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,440
office and how much money they had to

1683
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,520
spend on coffee filters

1684
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,240
yeah the pentagon the pentagon gets one

1685
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,440
block of money that's in the

1686
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:56,079
hundreds of billions okay

1687
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:57,119
and

1688
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,319
then they break that down into the

1689
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,920
civilian side

1690
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,920
and money for the navy and the army the

1691
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,079
air force the marines now the space

1692
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,760
force you know

1693
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,720
and

1694
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:10,240
on the intelligence side there's a bunch

1695
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:11,599
of offices

1696
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:14,000
that the breakdown only goes so far so

1697
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,599
that money that's going to be used by

1698
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,520
these offices or that office if they're

1699
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,839
combined it's already allocated it was

1700
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:24,000
not it's already been signed off

1701
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,880
but

1702
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,440
it doesn't go down to the detail of

1703
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:29,200
how much is going to go specifically

1704
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,079
into

1705
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,960
collecting ufo reports by this

1706
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,559
one group of people which may be staffed

1707
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,839
by only

1708
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,839
five to ten people you know plus

1709
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,119
investigators

1710
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,920
it it doesn't go down that far

1711
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,160
any time that the inspectors general or

1712
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,760
in some cases the media

1713
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,599
you you can do requests and say we'd

1714
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,960
like to know the specific budget for

1715
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,440
this and if it's not classified they

1716
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:53,359
will come back and tell you what

1717
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,559
portion

1718
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,200
of the budget went to that specific

1719
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,280
activity because everybody's got a code

1720
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,599
assigned and they can go find out how

1721
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,920
much money was spent against that code

1722
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:05,520
you know if your spending code for this

1723
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,640
office is you know f17 dash aaa gf

1724
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,440
you know that has to be on every

1725
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,440
line item where money is allocated and

1726
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,599
then that can be retrieved not in real

1727
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,839
time not beforehand but after the year

1728
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,200
is done

1729
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,799
and that's all filed you can request

1730
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,200
that information and you can find out

1731
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,680
i would not expect it to be gigantic but

1732
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,000
also if it's going to be a fully staffed

1733
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:32,400
office or two offices there's minimum

1734
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,520
requirements and they're going to have a

1735
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:35,200
travel budget apparently

1736
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,400
um because some people are gonna have to

1737
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,160
go travel and collect things and and

1738
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,599
talk to people so

1739
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:42,079
i i would not be shocked if

1740
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,119
over

1741
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,520
the in and it's currently slated to be

1742
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:47,200
funded for two years over a two year

1743
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,880
period maybe a couple of offices that

1744
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,960
many people i i don't think it's going

1745
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,720
to get to what we once heard like maybe

1746
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,720
a billion dollars total when we thought

1747
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:56,160
everybody was

1748
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:57,119
all the functions are going to be

1749
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:58,400
handled specifically in this one little

1750
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,280
group

1751
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,680
the responsibilities are being

1752
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:03,520
shoved off onto the other departments in

1753
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,400
the military

1754
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,000
and in the intelligence community so

1755
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,920
their responsibilities shrink

1756
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,760
i i wouldn't be shocked if it would i

1757
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,240
it's almost certainly in the tens of

1758
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,440
millions maybe up in 100 200 million

1759
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:17,680
range it'll be a decent budget i think

1760
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,079
but we we can find out uh

1761
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,160
a year and a half from now

1762
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,240
like you say atip survived in a budget

1763
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,400
we hear of 20 million dollars which is

1764
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,640
pretty conservative and like you say it

1765
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,240
depends on who's in the program what's

1766
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,920
involved you know that what they're

1767
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,400
going to have to do exactly but um i

1768
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,760
suppose the proof's in the pudding and

1769
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:37,680
we'll see what comes out from that

1770
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:38,799
um

1771
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:42,799
that was a shoestring budget so yes yeah

1772
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,880
um expensive shoe strings but still yeah

1773
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,200
um gaz wants to know what is your honest

1774
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,760
take on roswell um asking jazz as a

1775
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,359
truly seasoned pro and the subject of

1776
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,920
ufos uh gaz isn't sure there seems to be

1777
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,760
a little more than he see he seems to

1778
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,200
think there's more than the normal level

1779
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,280
of discussion about roswell lately and

1780
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:02,480
wondering if something's going to

1781
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,750
roswell is one that i have looked into

1782
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:09,920
not nearly as deeply as some other

1783
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,559
people i really i enjoy the subject i've

1784
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,559
always found it interesting

1785
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:15,920
um

1786
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,160
the only thing i can say conclusively to

1787
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:20,160
my satisfaction

1788
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,599
is

1789
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,040
first

1790
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,119
something came down on that ranch

1791
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:28,559
probably in late june of 1947 and wasn't

1792
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,599
discovered by banks brazil until july

1793
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,520
7th right

1794
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,040
and that's

1795
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,119
when all the notifications and hubble

1796
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,760
blue started something came down

1797
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,359
out of the sky

1798
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,520
and the second thing i'm convinced of

1799
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,000
there was a cover-up by the government

1800
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,040
in fact there was at least four of them

1801
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,440
what they were covering up

1802
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:53,359
as far as i'm concerned we still don't

1803
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:54,640
know

1804
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:55,440
i

1805
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,240
number two

1806
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:04,160
on the list

1807
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,040
i

1808
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:06,640
have heard

1809
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,440
uh

1810
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,040
nick redfern

1811
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,960
has actually i think he wrote an entire

1812
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,200
book but he also did some articles on it

1813
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,079
he did a lot of digging and

1814
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:17,839
i still think it's very possible that

1815
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:21,440
that was a top secret program not the uh

1816
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,559
the secret listening balloon uh program

1817
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,559
the name slip in my mind right now

1818
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,920
um

1819
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:29,119
not that

1820
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:30,000
but

1821
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:31,280
again now we're getting back to the

1822
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,559
subject of the government on some

1823
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,319
terrible things at times

1824
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,400
there are documents that that nick

1825
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,720
highlighted and witnessed reports from

1826
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,880
people that were alive at the time

1827
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,119
who suggested that back then we were

1828
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,119
first studying the effects of very high

1829
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,559
altitude flight

1830
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,440
and radiation on people

1831
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:51,200
and they suggest that the government may

1832
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,400
have taken

1833
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,640
maybe some japanese prisoners of war

1834
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,319
maybe even i'm gonna say something

1835
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,000
horrible trigger warning shut off the

1836
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,480
show if you don't if you're not ready

1837
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,640
that they may have even taken disabled

1838
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,280
children who were abandoned at

1839
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,960
asylums and homes and things back in the

1840
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,039
day which which happened if you had a

1841
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,119
a child that you know had severe birth

1842
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,760
defects and it's tragic but they did

1843
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,359
maybe that maybe some children maybe

1844
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:16,960
some japanese prisoners

1845
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,920
and put them in a craft suspended from a

1846
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,599
really huge balloon that was not

1847
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:24,000
pressurized and just shot them way up

1848
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,280
into the air

1849
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,039
just to watch what the effects are on

1850
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,720
people's being up there without pressure

1851
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:30,079
suits or anything and of course they

1852
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:31,280
would die

1853
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,079
um

1854
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:34,400
and if one of those crashed that's

1855
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,680
certainly the sort of thing they

1856
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,359
wouldn't want to talk about

1857
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,520
back then because of classification and

1858
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,280
also they would never want to reveal

1859
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:44,319
something like that if that's the case

1860
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,599
that might have been what they covered

1861
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,119
up

1862
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:49,280
the other possibility is

1863
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,400
yeah it was a flying disc and somebody

1864
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,000
didn't get a memo and went out and

1865
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,839
called the radio station who called the

1866
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:58,079
newspaper and said yeah we're covering a

1867
01:03:02,470 --> 01:02:59,599
flying desk we'll check it in to let you

1868
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,480
know and they yanked him off the stage

1869
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,240
really fast with the hook and then they

1870
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,480
came out and went nope weather balloon

1871
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,480
you know yeah

1872
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,880
so that that's my answer um uh i don't

1873
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,359
have a personal belief but

1874
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,280
i i would put

1875
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,960
extraterrestrial

1876
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,400
incursion

1877
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:20,400
uh fairly high on the list but not at

1878
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:22,720
the top

1879
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,799
i've said on the podcast jazz that it

1880
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,440
happened so long ago and it's the it's

1881
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:29,200
the first case i think almost

1882
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,799
exclusively everyone hears about when

1883
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:32,799
they get into the subject of ufos are

1884
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,839
are first exposed to it that i'm always

1885
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,760
wary of things that happened so long ago

1886
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,160
getting like additional books and new

1887
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:42,000
witnesses because almost everyone

1888
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,359
involved in that at the time has now

1889
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,440
passed away and the grandchildren of

1890
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,039
these people have have more or less

1891
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,960
passed away as well so you're now on to

1892
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,119
the great great great grandchildren of

1893
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:52,960
anyone who was involved

1894
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,720
and i think the only true way anything

1895
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,720
could really come out further about the

1896
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,960
case would be if the government did have

1897
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:02,079
some super secret files that weren't

1898
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,520
you know through a john greenwald and

1899
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,880
they opened them up and went here you go

1900
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:06,240
here's what happened or hear something

1901
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,799
from it um but it's one of those i think

1902
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,640
the myth the lord the legend is there

1903
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,960
for a good reason and um yeah but

1904
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:14,960
interesting thanks for the question guys

1905
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,079
um sazek asks have you heard or seen

1906
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,559
anything about the supposed video video

1907
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,559
senator harry reid left after his

1908
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:27,109
okay i guess now it's safe to talk about

1909
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,559
it um

1910
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,400
i have spoken to a couple other

1911
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,799
journalists about the

1912
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:34,880
rumor

1913
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:38,839
that and this started about three years

1914
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,680
ago uh that

1915
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:44,400
i i guess the general consensus seemed

1916
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,520
to be

1917
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:47,200
that he had recorded

1918
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,640
when they when he found out he was sick

1919
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,480
and whatnot i had recorded something

1920
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:52,079
most likely

1921
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,000
with george knapp the reason people

1922
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,799
thought that there was one podcast

1923
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:58,000
god i'd have to go back and find my

1924
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,839
notes um

1925
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,920
where there was a discussion in the

1926
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,359
background

1927
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:05,280
where jeremy corbell

1928
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:06,839
had gone on that

1929
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,640
show and while they were recording it

1930
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,400
and it wasn't wasn't alive it was being

1931
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,039
recorded if if the story is true

1932
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,359
that he had said to the host or hosts i

1933
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,880
think it was two people

1934
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,240
uh he's just telling the story and

1935
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,240
getting into it and and just sort of

1936
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,319
mentioned out of the blue

1937
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,640
that uh that harry reid had done that

1938
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,920
which is important you know because you

1939
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,599
don't want to lose and then he kind of

1940
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,280
stopped and was like wait a minute hold

1941
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,599
on we need to cut that and i guess you

1942
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:35,599
have to start again if the story is true

1943
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,520
they cut that section out of it before

1944
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,680
it was published but there were people

1945
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:40,880
who

1946
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,920
allegedly watched that portion of it so

1947
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,760
we never heard it from harry reid we

1948
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:47,760
never heard it from george knapp we

1949
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,319
never heard it directly from jeremy

1950
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,680
corbell

1951
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:53,839
it's this is one of those stories that

1952
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,960
you heard from somebody who heard from

1953
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:58,799
who allegedly knew about

1954
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:02,000
like three three generations away

1955
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,599
um

1956
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,680
with all that said

1957
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,599
just because of their history together

1958
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,680
and by they i mean harry reid and george

1959
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:11,920
knapp and all the years and

1960
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,559
the exclusive access that that knapp

1961
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:16,079
always had harry reid whenever he wanted

1962
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,680
him you know he talked to him he was at

1963
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,839
his house all the time

1964
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,760
i would not be at all shocked if that

1965
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,280
video exists

1966
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,280
um

1967
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,599
there may have been instructions

1968
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,039
you know even after i'm gone you have to

1969
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,839
wait a certain amount of time

1970
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,680
it gets released you know let all the

1971
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,280
funeral arrangements in my family and

1972
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,520
everything get taken care of

1973
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,559
uh maybe there's something about it that

1974
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,319
has information included that could get

1975
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,240
someone else in trouble until those

1976
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:47,280
things get sorted out uh so my the

1977
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,319
answer is

1978
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,799
no i don't know for sure 100 because i

1979
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,400
was not one of the people who watched

1980
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:54,640
that podcast and even if i had been

1981
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:55,359
i

1982
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,240
knowledge

1983
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,559
so sure i don't personally know anybody

1984
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,240
who's actually seen the video which

1985
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,640
would be the only way to confirm it

1986
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:06,559
um and knapp's always very good at

1987
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:08,799
holding holding things close to the best

1988
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:12,319
so and and i think i find it plausible

1989
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,920
even if that does exist jazz i think

1990
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,520
there's also there would be a timing

1991
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,520
element to anyone leaving one of those

1992
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,079
sort of death bed con confessional and

1993
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:22,640
as huge a name and as respected as harry

1994
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:25,280
reid senator harry reid as in was

1995
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,880
there still has to be a timing for that

1996
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,799
to be released and you wonder in the

1997
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:31,039
height of a war war time situation as we

1998
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:32,240
have in ukraine at the moment with

1999
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,760
everything that's going on

2000
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:36,000
as here's a former senator who's now

2001
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,480
deceased ufo confession video

2002
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,799
is at the right time probably not anyway

2003
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:42,480
and for whatever impact they'd be

2004
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:44,480
looking for that for that to have

2005
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:45,599
um

2006
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,799
and uh final question from wagella asks

2007
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,119
that wagella is curious to know how have

2008
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,880
your colleagues perspectives on the

2009
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,559
topic that obviously you work with and

2010
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:56,720
write with how has that evolved since

2011
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,079
2017 have you seen any noticeable change

2012
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:02,640
uh case-by-case basis definitely that

2013
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,160
that that's the overall answer um

2014
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:07,680
like i said i work in a group where this

2015
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,440
was never written about professionally

2016
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,960
it was never discussed openly nothing

2017
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:12,000
like that

2018
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:13,760
and when i started to

2019
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,640
i did surprisingly find

2020
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:19,040
there were

2021
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,960
a couple people on our team and on the

2022
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:23,359
extended team who immediately contacted

2023
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,480
me privately and said oh you're

2024
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:26,159
interested in this too i've always been

2025
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,440
interested in this that's that's a

2026
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,520
really fascinating story and there were

2027
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:30,640
other people like you're going to lose

2028
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,679
your job

2029
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,440
because you're right you're acting like

2030
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,799
a lunatic and they're not going to put

2031
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:37,669
up with us you know and this is all

2032
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,749
i'm sorry pardon my language

2033
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,880
and uh

2034
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:43,199
so it it ran the gamut but i will s on

2035
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,040
top of that i will say

2036
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,719
some of those people who were saying it

2037
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:48,960
was all bs

2038
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,400
have since in the few years since then

2039
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,400
slowly but surely as i put more and more

2040
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,159
info out as more and more of it's in the

2041
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,799
mainstream media as congress is passing

2042
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,560
bills and creating offices they've come

2043
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,239
around and kind of gone

2044
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,679
okay i don't i don't know if those are

2045
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,279
really things that are aliens but

2046
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:07,199
clearly it's real

2047
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,400
and that's something the government's

2048
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,319
doing so yeah it's it's a legitimate

2049
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,560
topic we can talk about that and others

2050
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,799
have see have started diving in deeper

2051
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,080
and looked at some of the videos and

2052
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:17,920
pictures and read the reports the new

2053
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,040
ones and the older ones and have become

2054
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,719
far far more

2055
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:24,880
open to the idea on the other end of the

2056
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:25,920
scale

2057
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,799
there is one of the

2058
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,279
list of outlets that i write for

2059
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,199
and i'm not going to out anybody by

2060
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,440
saying specifically which one it was

2061
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:36,719
or is

2062
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,440
that uh as the topic was blowing up a

2063
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,880
while back

2064
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,159
they really

2065
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:44,319
internally wanted

2066
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,359
to get

2067
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:47,120
some coverage of it and get on the

2068
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:49,120
bandwagon you know and

2069
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,719
participate

2070
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,640
but their editors uh as much as they

2071
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,159
wanted to do it

2072
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,600
they didn't

2073
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,199
have any of their own people who wanted

2074
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,960
to put their name on anything

2075
01:10:01,910 --> 01:10:00,640
and that was when the first time that i

2076
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,920
started writing for that particular

2077
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,360
outlet because they contacted me

2078
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:05,600
privately and said look we we want some

2079
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,960
coverage of this story and we see you're

2080
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,800
quote the ufo guy and you've been

2081
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:12,480
writing about it would you like to do it

2082
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,440
for us

2083
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,960
and i was like

2084
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,199
okay sure and it was just done with the

2085
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,840
understanding that this was all me this

2086
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,600
is my coverage my if there's any

2087
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,920
opinions in my opinions not the opinions

2088
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:26,080
of that outlet or any of the editors

2089
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:27,760
they don't want their name tied to it

2090
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,840
but they did want it on their site so i

2091
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,840
think that if that answers the question

2092
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:34,080
that's like the range of what my various

2093
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,440
colleagues both

2094
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,080
in our network and other networks that i

2095
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:40,159
work with and that we associate with it

2096
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,239
it does run quite a range there

2097
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,320
everybody seems to be in most everybody

2098
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:46,000
seems to be interested

2099
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,440
how much they're willing to put their

2100
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,280
own attach their own name to it

2101
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:51,920
changes quite a bit from case to case

2102
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:55,040
no it's a nice note to end on

2103
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,560
it's been wonderful

2104
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,640
oh go on go ahead

2105
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,080
you're fine i can edit that i can edit

2106
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:01,600
that out don't worry

2107
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:03,199
no i was going to say

2108
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,880
i i wasn't aware you were going to say

2109
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,560
something else to me so i'll stay here

2110
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,840
if you were just going to be doing a

2111
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,840
closing thing i was going to ask if i'd

2112
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,679
get up and go get another glass of water

2113
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,920
but i can wait go ahead yeah literally

2114
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,360
two seconds yeah just while you're on

2115
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,520
i'll make a note

2116
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:18,960
jazz it's been great speaking with you

2117
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,040
at long overdue like i said um how can

2118
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,960
people follow you on social media and

2119
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,400
also have you got anything coming up

2120
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:26,400
what's next

2121
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:27,920
um

2122
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:30,640
yeah the only social media i really do i

2123
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:33,199
mean i i technically have a facebook

2124
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,320
account but

2125
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,800
i haven't looked at it in five years uh

2126
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,400
i use it for logging in and out of stuff

2127
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:40,880
you can i'm on twitter pretty much every

2128
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,520
day all day far too much i can't believe

2129
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,880
how much my life i've spent on that

2130
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,920
webpage

2131
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,920
um it's just at jshaw one word

2132
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,159
j-a-z-z-s-h-a-w

2133
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:52,719
uh you can see all of my stuff if you go

2134
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:55,120
to hotair.com if you go to the debrief

2135
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,080
uh

2136
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,719
debriefmedia.org

2137
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,159
uh

2138
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:02,320
those are the two main ones where you'll

2139
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:03,360
see me

2140
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,400
um

2141
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:06,080
if i find it i'll give you a link if you

2142
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,600
want to stick it in i i do have a

2143
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,520
youtube page like i said there's like

2144
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:11,679
five videos on there i don't do shows or

2145
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,159
anything or any of that stuff it's just

2146
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,480
if i take a video of a ufo or a plane

2147
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,320
that looks like a ufo or whatever i toss

2148
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:20,000
it up there but i really don't do

2149
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,080
anything else with it so yeah mostly

2150
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:24,560
just twitter um as to what i have coming

2151
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,520
up

2152
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,679
i just finished

2153
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:29,600
an article that i was researching and

2154
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:30,880
then writing

2155
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,760
for two weeks for the debrief

2156
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,800
and it's already submitted uh they

2157
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,719
they're usually pretty slow reviewing

2158
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,400
submissions uh

2159
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,800
small staff a lot of people a lot of a

2160
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,239
lot of contributions

2161
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,480
so it's not a criticism uh it can take

2162
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:48,400
any anywhere from one to three days but

2163
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,600
when you submit something before it

2164
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,960
actually goes live so i'm not sure when

2165
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:53,360
it'll be up by the time this

2166
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,920
airs for the general for everybody it

2167
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,080
should be up at the debrief

2168
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,440
and it is an article about

2169
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,960
uh

2170
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,960
the title i used was long before the

2171
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,679
phoenix lights there was incident 40.

2172
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:09,920
and it's an article about incident 40

2173
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,880
from project grudge and it was

2174
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:13,679
a

2175
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,880
broke

2176
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,880
and he was in the news for like a week

2177
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:28,480
and then he disappeared

2178
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,360
but

2179
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,199
project grudge in later project blue

2180
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,760
book looked into him looked into his

2181
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:35,520
sighting but also into him and his

2182
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,560
character

2183
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,000
and the really fascinating thing i

2184
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,480
turned up in this report is i may very

2185
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:42,719
well have uncovered the first government

2186
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,239
documented incident incidents of the men

2187
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,840
in black

2188
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,800
because they confessed to having gone to

2189
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,719
interview this guy in person

2190
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,120
and roof and just were introduced as

2191
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,120
from the federal government wouldn't say

2192
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,440
anything else and they asked him for the

2193
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,520
negatives from the pictures that he they

2194
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:03,280
took them away and they'd never return

2195
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,159
them

2196
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,760
and if that doesn't match the

2197
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,080
description of a men in black incident

2198
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,920
i don't know what does but that's not

2199
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,679
just some story coming from a robert

2200
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,400
stack you know tv show this is right in

2201
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,320
the government's files

2202
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,640
they interviewed the f there was an fbi

2203
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:21,280
agent and a csc agent

2204
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,480
and they went and they had the complete

2205
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:26,640
report from the fbi agent's experience

2206
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:28,000
and he was like i thought it was weird

2207
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:29,440
they told me not to say my name or show

2208
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,600
my badge but i also thought it was none

2209
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,040
of my business so i did the job and i

2210
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,920
left you know so he wasn't intentionally

2211
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,199
doing it but

2212
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,360
if that was their policy might be more

2213
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,800
reality to the men in black story than

2214
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,400
we know

2215
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,920
well all of those links will be in the

2216
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,080
description for the podcast um i will

2217
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:48,239
i've made a note as i've gone along and

2218
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:50,080
by the time you hear this or watch it

2219
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:51,679
hopefully the article is out and you can

2220
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,560
check that out because that sounds

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